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A conversation with Mr. Nate Zeleznick,
Director, YSHP USA Group, Owner of Merpati Putih Utah  

Correspondence with Nate
Correspondence with Nate -- 2005

More... conversation with Messrs. Nate Zeleznick &  Mike Zeleznick -- 2005

 

 DEC 2005 

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A correspondent sends us this:

Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005
From: rob and shari
Subject: I want to sign up March 2nd @ 7:00pm

Hi i recently returned with my wife from Indonesia
after a 10 month stay there. We live in SLC and we
want to sign up for your class on Wednesday, March 2nd
@ 7:00pm (SLC). i found you on the web. Where is the
location. How many student in the class now? i look
forward to this...


Nate Zeleznick

From: "Nate and Mike Z" <mpusa1@hotmail.com>
To: rob and shari
Subject: Hi Robert, thank you for the email.
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005

Hello Robert,

Apa kabarnya? Thank you for your email. I will register you for the interview tomorrow (Mar. 2nd) @ 7pm. The address is
998 So. 700 W. It is very easy to find. Simply take the 1300 So. exit on I-15 and head west over the train tracks to 700 W. Then hang a Right and go approximately .75 miles. MP SLC is on the left hand side of the road and the awning says "Retail Fixtures and Supply" at the moment. That will be changing shortly, but that's what it says presently. It is across from the SLC Food Bank.

Your wife is welcome to attend the interview as well. We have found that couples absolutely love training in MP together.
Did you latihan MP at all in Indonesia? What city were you in?

We just barely opened enrollments for our Spring Semester so currently there are no students in this class yet but we are very hopeful. Please feel free to bring any of your friends who may be interested along with you. The more the merrier.

Thanks again Robert for your inquiry. I will not be present personally but the MP SLC owners Mas Patrick and Mas Jed are very polite, professional and good pelatih. I know you will enjoy your time and the results you get.

Warmest Regards,


Nathan S. Zeleznick
Owner/Founder, Merpati Putih U.S.A, LLC
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005
From: rob and shari
Subject: Re: Hi Robert, thank you for the email.
To: "Nate and Mike Z" <mpusa1@hotmail.com>

Hello Nathan --

Thx for ur quick reply, we will be there, i looked up
the addr yahoo map, no problem. im fascinated with MP
in Jakarta but we spent about half of our time in the
country. But a lot of what i really know bout MP is
from surfing around, so not too much yet, but we both
have some experience in the japanese MA traditions. MP
is my main interest now so i want to see. are you the
best effective MP training in slc.

We'll be there, Mar 2 at 7 pm tomorrow. What is the
cost going to be for 2. if u can, pls reply so we can
bring the money tomorrow, we dont like credit cards.

bye for now, l8r

Robert
  From: "Nate and Mike Z" <mpusa1@hotmail.com>
To: rob and shari
Subject: Re: Hi Robert, thank you for the email.
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005

Hello Robert,

It was nice to receive your email again. In response to your question on whether we are the most effective traiing in Mp in SLC, I should let you know that there are only 2 MP schools in America, in Ogden and in Salt Lake City.

Mas Patrick and Mas Jed are looking forward to seeing you and your guest there. If you have any trouble finding the kolat, please feel free to call Mas Patrick at (801) 920-6899.

The interview is $3 per person, so for 2 people is $6 total. So that you are prepared to reserve your training spot in this class,a $75 non-refundable reservation fee is standard per person. For 2 people will be $150 total and will assuredly reserve your place. I am sure that you will both like what MP offers you and I look forward to meeting you soon.

Best Regards,

Nathan S. Zeleznick


Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005
From: rob and shari
Subject: Re: Hi Robert, thank you for the email.
To: "Nate and Mike Z" <mpusa1@hotmail.com>

Thanks agin, i'll see you tonight. I did some more
research about MP it's so interesting. MP has so much
to offer. I sent out some emails on it too. We're
both excited, see u soon...



Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005
From: rob and shari
To: "Nate and Mike Z" <mpusa1@hotmail.com>

Sorry I missed you. i found out some things, we have
some problems with MP accordingly....

  From: "Nate and Mike Z" <mpusa1@hotmail.com>
To: rob and shari
Subject: Robert, could you elaborate?
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005

Hi Robert,

Thank you for your email. It is understandably concerning to me if you have some problems with MP. Could you please elaborate on what these 'problems' are? More importantly are these 'problems' with MP USA, MP SLC, the training times, the training tuition or is it that something in your own life has transpired that makes MP training unfeasible right now (e.g. emergency, etc.)?

Regardless of whether or not you decide you like or dislike what MP has to offer, we would be most appreciative if you could give us some honest feedback regarding what you have found out. We strive to improve MP and ourselves ever day and honest feedback is the best place to start.

Thanks a bunch Robert.

Warmest Regards,


Nathan S. Zeleznick
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005
From: rob and shari
Subject: Re: Robert, could you elaborate?
To: "Nate and Mike Z" <mpusa1@hotmail.com>

i have been studying a web page that basically says it is all a hoax and a scam. it is in utah and had someletters and pics from you. And there are some
postings from the Salt Lake eve center too. i don't
know who or what to believe. maybe if you didn't
charge anything for your intitial consultation.

 Five years ago:

"...through practicing Vibravision, personsare able to differentiate between the different energies and perceive the weight,volume, velocity, color, shape and substance of ANY object (s). This technique has been used in the training of over 700 blind persons in Indonesia, persons who are now self-sufficient with no need for canes of seeing-eye dogs.

"...Limits of Ability -
  * Effective range: Same as for normal vision.

  * Time required: 10 sec per observation, 30 minutes max for entire test.

  * Reliability: 100%."



 

 Five years ago:

"Anybody is welcomed to study at Merpati Putih -- for $110,000.

The year-and-a-half training is broken up into three parts, Yayasan officials said. The first part can be learned in Utah. The rest must be learned in Indonesia.

During the first six months, students learn how to sense nearby obstacles, Zeleznick said. This part of the training costs $30,000.

During the second six months, students learn to specify objects, Zeleznick said. And this part also costs $30,000.

In the final six months of the training, students learn to distinguish color, which enables them to sense shapes of letters,allowing them to read, Zeleznick said. It costs $50,000."

Deseret News, Sunday, November 26, 2000

From: "Nate and Mike Z" <mpusa1@hotmail.com>
To: rob and shari
Subject: That makes sense Robert...except for
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005

Hi Robert,

Ah, so you found my friends Kevin and Harald's website from  
5 years ago...I see. It does paint a pretty disconcerting picture of MP and I do look at our dealings with them as a mistake.

They are the kind of people that refuse to believe in human potential and I honestly thought they were trying to help me as they said they were but if fact were looking for any and every way to undermine me. It looks like it worked, at least in this case.

There are a couple things to keep in mind Robert before you close the case on MP:
  #1: The MP ability in question was Vibravision,not the athletic program which we teach.
  #2: We were undertaking a $1 Million paranormal challenge and had all of the rules broken and changed on us at the last minute by them and the person sponsoring the test. (What would you do to protect a million of your dollars?) The test was invalid and not what had been agreed to. We played fair and they basically brought machetes to a football game, hacked us into little bits while the ref's laughed and said they played fair too. We just wanted to play honest football.
  #3: Since Vibravision was what was in question and since we do not teach Vibravision here, it should not really concern you Robert. Maybe the testimonials on the http://mp-usa.org website are what is most important in this decision? They reflect the opinions of people who have trained in our currently available curriculum.
  #4: If we are a 'hoax' or a 'scam', how is it that we are the only martial arts school in Utah that are Better Business Members? We've never had one complaint in 4 years. Obviously what we do offer is well regarded in the community and has helped many people better themselves.

I tell you what Robert, I will personally sponsor you for the next interview at MP SLC. You and your wife will not have to pay an admission fee since I am your sponsor. Since you don't know whom or what to believe (and I completely understand your position), I would like you to have the opportunity to make an informed decision based on your knowledge of both sides of this coin. The next interview will be tonight (Fri. 3/4/05) at 7pm. Please let them know you are coming. The next interview isn't until Wednesday, March 23rd so if you're still interested, tonight would be best for you to see the other side of this coin and make your final judgement then.
Hope you can make it.


Warmest Regards,


Nathan S. Zeleznick
Owner/Founder, Merpati Putih U.S.A.

Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005
From: rob and shari
Subject: Fwd: That makes sense Robert...except for


So, do you know how to do this Vibravision or not? And could you do it before if you forgot?

I'm very sorry I did not get your email on time for the next interview, we will take you up on your offer next meeting. Who are these people you mentioned,scientists, or what, i hate science and math haha



Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005
From: rob and shari
Subject: Re: That makes sense Robert...except for
To: "Nate and Mike Z" <mpusa1@hotmail.com>

You also mention your point ...#1: The MP ability in
question was Vibravision, not the athletic program
which we teach.

you also say ...#3 vibravision was what was in
question and we don't teach vibravision now it
should'nt concern you, Robert
.

it looks as if you ar trying to inflate your pints,
does it not because #1 and #3 are exactly the same
only worded differently, Sherri pointed this out and
wants to mention and ask for your responses if you are
inflating or not or what.

Yes it's true but we want to know about our investment
and are pretty careful with the money you know. it's
no big deal though but I am concerned of course. If
you are not vibravision now, OK, but before you were,
and so...do do you know how to do the vibravision
Merpati Puti or not? Can you show at least something
at you next meting.

On this web page either it is true or you are false
and vice versa. This is a local web page he told me
and we need to be sure about our money.

So, see you, sorry for not being able to come this
time. Sherri and I will be out of town vacation in
mexico but we will always have email internet bar, so
best wishes and check you later

What was the rule change you mentioned and why could
you did not meet that change whatever, I'm wondering.

Sorry for the long winded email i want to be the best
i can and Sherri too, we are very interested in you
and your school.



Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005
From: rob and shari
Subject: Fwd: Re: That makes sense Robert...except for


I think your estimation is on target, they are the
kind of people that refuse to believe in human
potential. that's not us though, we do believe. you
teach the athletic program and you can do the Vibra.
we believe you have these powers, can you demonstrate
next time and thanks for the invite to not pay the up
front expenses as your sponsored guest...


A really BLIND Person [trust me]
avoiding objects on an empty street
!

From: "Nate and Mike Z" <mpusa1@hotmail.com>
To: rob and shari
Subject: Good to hear, but they are not 'Powers'.
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005

Hi Robert,

Nice to read you again. First, thank you for your faith in your own human potential. Second, I didn't think I was 'inflating' anything regarding your previous email about my paragraphs #1 & #3. #1 was referring to 5 years ago and #3 is referring to now. That's all I meant.

Vibravision is not a 'Power' per se. 'Power' denotes something that controls something else or is unique amongst peers. Lots of blind people here in the U.S. already have a basic Vibravision ability. Not extremely refined, but some can tell where objects are, some can tell where writing starts and stops, some can tell the difference between colors even though they may not be able to tell what colors they are. Vibravision is a natural human ability, not a 'Power'. MP is 100% natural, 100% biological, and we have no mystical or religious aspect. Only experiential.

To be honest with you Robert, we do not emphasize Vibravision in our practice. Just like anything in life some days you're on, some days you're not. Vibravision must be practiced diligently to develop and maintain reliability. Unfortunately we do not have the necessary hours to devote to it. We and many of our students have seen it done by some of our senior MP members from Jakarta, and sometimes it is very 'on' for us. Since it is not my main focus, I would not feel comfortable demonstrating for you. I will not be able to be at the next MP SLC interview either, but at the interview you 'will' see our demonstrations of Tenaga Dalam (Inner Power), which is our area of expertise.

Regardless, I hope you like what you see when you come to the interview. Mas Patrick and Mas Jed should be able to answer any of your questions. They are very capable MP instructors who can help you and Sherri get in better shape, develop a greater mind/body awareness and learn very effective martial arts.

If you have further questions, please feel free to write back.

One more thing. I don't remember if I have ever asked for your phone number, but Mas Patrick would like to give you a confirmation call the night before the interview to make sure you will still be able to make it. Could I please have a phone number I can reach you at? Thanks again.


Best Regards,


Nathan S. Zeleznick
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005
From: rob and shari
Subject: Re: Good to hear, but they are not 'Powers'.
To: "Nate and Mike Z" <mpusa1@hotmail.com>

Our phone number is 810-859-9225. It's Sheri's but we
both answer.

Now i wonder why the VV training does not take, why it
is lost, and why not keep up the practice once this
ability (not power but i think they are powers and
powerful ones too no pun intended... seriously) got
acquired. It's not like swimming or riding a bike, it
won't become second nature, then... how about MP....
is it the same... and please give me contact info of
3 blind people who can tell colors.... on your the
Salt Lake eye clinc home page maybe they will know if
you dont.... Serri says you will know because you said
you know lots of people in US

I will expect Mas to call me but please wait until i
can affirm which of your next dates we can fit into
because of our travel plans... we just got upgraded to
first class from all the previous miles so it should
be quite a trip. i'm not disillusioned what the other
website says we both have open minds.... and please
send the info i requested. The other website never
responded anyway i'' try one more time... see you later
thanks for your reply and thank again for the
sponsorship, that was for both me and Sherry together,
right...
  From: "Nate and Mike Z" <mpusa1@hotmail.com>
To: rob and shari
Subject: Sad to inform you...
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005

Hello Robert,

Thank you again for your emails. I am sorry to inform you that due to a scheduling conflict and managerial difference MP SLC will not be accepting new students at this time. I will be sure to let you know when the next enrollment will be and we can resume our correspondence then. MP USA is still holding enrollments but MP SLC is not. I am sorry for the inconvenience to you. I wish you and Sheri both the best. Take care.

Best Regards,


Nathan S. Zeleznick
  Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005
From: rob and shari
Subject: Re: Sad to inform you...
To: "Nate and Mike Z" <mpusa1@hotmail.com>

It's ok, Nate, Sheri has family in Ogden, we go there
all the time. is that a possibility if ever... maybe
you can schedule us in... if not, email or call.
thanks for the heads up. what is the problem with
these differences? i hope nothing serious. Sherri is a
community counselor, is there anything she can do to
help iron it out... she wants to know, call or email
we are glad to be of assistance if any.

Best regards,
rob n.
and, you need to fix your web page, it still has classes for SLC on it

Waiting for reply...

"All aspects of Merpati Putih center around one all important goal:

To become the very best people
we can be and to realize our true
potential as human beings in order
to promote peace, understanding
...and justice for all of humanity"

 

From:   "Nate and Mike Z" <mpusa1@hotmail.com>
To:     rob and shari <nanning001313@yahoo.com>
Date:    Mon, 21 Mar 2005

Hi Robert,

I am Nate's brother Mike. My apologies for the late reply. We have been entirely too busy with our new classes, upcoming tests, school relocation, and Indonesia travel plans to spend anymore time trying to convince 1 or 2 people that are overly skeptical. I completely understand your position after seeing that website by harald ilig.

That website does a very good job of twisting things to making us look bad... that was their whole purpose when they first started talking to us. However we have not heard a whisper of this crap in 4 years and we have helped so many people during that time that it really doesn't bother us anymore. Besides, THEY CHEATED US, and we have new plans in the works to validate and prove Vibravision medically & scientifically. Then we'll be completely in the clear. Until then, I really have no desire to try to convince someone who isn't worth convincing at this point. So if you feel that you are worth convincing and would like to come for our normal interview to get some information on the ATHLETIC program that we are running here in the U.S., call me at 801-391-1638, or just wait and you'll probably see us on the news someday. Our next interview is Wednesday, March 23rd at 7pm in our Ogden school.  Please make sure to call to reserve your spot.

Thank you,

Mike Zeleznick

Co-Owner/Chief Instructor, Merpati Putih U.S.A, LLC

Date:    Mon, 21 Mar 2005
From:   rob and shari
To:  "Nate and Mike Z" <mpusa1@hotmail.com>       

This sound good, before Nate asked us to come special, not pay but now you say not special but normal and pay again... so I don't know if this is a change of offers or not after all you are a different guy all of a sudden.

What facts or things were twisted... i didn't read it all entirely but i ought to try to go back there to see if i see it... what was twisted... I remember seeing graphs and charts stuff like that.  did they lie using statistics...

What is the difference between a medical proof a scientific proof or just a plain old proof...  in my opinion there is only proof and not flavors of it am i right?  but i agree with you overly skepticl is no good all things in moderation.  Iím a little hurt when you talk to me like someone worth convincing at some point. in my our book everybody is special and deserves a chance... I just want you to know that, Mr know it all.

Iím sorry to go on and on like this, but your brother said that you all are not focusing in Vibravision anymore now but you say now you are.  I like your answer better because me and my wife want to learn this quickly once and for all... price isd no objective haha.  even though, from now on i want to call Nate not you,  I have his SLC number.  Sherri and i ARE worth convincing at this point, any point period!!!

we will come, let me know on the questions so we can reserve our spots... i got your slc number so is that still good or is it closed now. will it be to crowded or how many will be in this class.

sincerely  rob & shari


Date:    Wed, 23 Mar 2005
From:   rob and shari
Subject: Re: Sad to inform you...
To:  "rob and shari"         

Are you guys even still there...  are you out of business now, in Ogden, too...  what is going on?  can you answer your email or not...

rob and shari

That's all they wrote.  I received this correspondence form Rob and Shari at the end of 2005 -- ed.

Contact Merpathiputih
Mailing Address
Merpati Putih U.S.A, LLC,
Nathan S. or Mike Zeleznick
P.O. Box 328
Huntsville, UT 84317  U.S.A.


Phone: (801) 391-1638
Fax: (240) 525-8869


E-Mail : mpusa1@hotmail.com
 

School Address
1952 Kiesel Ave.
Ogden, UT 84401  U.S.A.
 

 

 

 

 


What's your favorite Color?
""Blue.  NO0oo..."
  

Five years ago:
"Zeleznick said it's based on solid principles of science. For 
instance, Zeleznick said students learn to catch the vibrations 
ofobjects
colored blue because "all the colors are absorbed, 
except waves reflected from blue objects."

Deseret News, Sunday, November 26, 2000

 


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