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A brief conversation conducted via e-mail with the webmaster of "My comments and refutations in this rather pointless discussion were generally full-hearted, but he was apparently still upset by some of my substantial points. When you have a screamingly hilarious web site, surely a little criticism is to be expected! This guy's paranoiac psychology is worth further study." Words (Justin Reeve) are printed in blue, and mine, in red. Editorial remarks are in black. From: "Justin Reeve" <jmoose311@hotmail.com> From: "FAITH" <mormon99@prodigy.net> Yes, I used to think the same way, that Mormonism is a made up fantasy. Now I'm convinced it is true, after having had the burning of my breast. Thanks for your kind comments, but know that it is NOT fantasy. It is true as far as it has been translated correctly. --Pay lay emcha ale! From: "Justin Reeve" <jmoose311@hotmail.com>
As I said, keep up the good work. But perhaps you should reconsider how much time you spend -- you've done a LOT of work, but your time might be better spent another way.
From: "FAITH" <mormon99@prodigy.net> The pictures of the coins I got from a book about Pre-Colombian coins in the BYU library. At first, I couldn't believe my eyes, but I prayed about it and it was revealed as true. (there is also a good book about Pre-Colombian fish hooks and other iron artifacts, as well as about Pre-Colombian steel mills and Iron smelters, if you can believe it! It is not true that mormons do not like to display the sacrosanct. We send missionaries all over the world talking about sacred things. So, you are wrong about that. Pay lay elle atra num, pay lay ale!
From: Justin Reeve Your charade as a Mormon is amusing, but any Mormon would know that, in the temple, we make covenants not to reveal to anyone the sacred things therein. And your referral to the temple ceremony as "secret" are unbefitting Mormon thought. And when was there ever a change in status of the temple ceremony from "sacred" to "secret?" They are sacred, not secret, and have ALWAYS been. Though found nowhere in the scriptures, and actually contradicted by the text of Abraham 3:3, you maintain that anonymous Mormon theologians "agree that God lives on a distant planet, the planet Kolob. "On Kolob," you say, "the main activity is mating." Remarkable! However, "On God's home planet thousands of lonely, excess males reach daily to onanistic auto-eroticism." This sounds like a contradiction to me. You seem to have a rather unhealthy obsession with sexy stuff, as it plagues your web site all over. You must find it titillating. How, may I ask, do you know that "Most foods, except coffee, of course, are served in heaven" and that "sweets are especially prized by the saints and by the angels"...? Your anonymous Mormon intellectuals, you claim, maintain that "there are invisible crystal spheres surrounding stars, which act as a barrier to space travel. It's true, the barriers are invisible, because when we look at stars we can look right through the intervening ones! But we know by Faith and Scripture that the barriers are there." Stunning! I'll tell you what, if you can show me in scripture where it mentions "invisible star-surrounding cosmic travel-preventing crystal spheres" in the scriptures, I'll write you a personal check for $10,000. From: "FAITH" <mormon99@prodigy.net> --- Let's see... "we make covenants not to reveal to anyone the sacred things", but it's not secret. Right? I'm not stupid, fellah! HA! >And when was there ever a change in status of the temple ceremony --- no, they were secret, like the Masonic ceremonies from which much of our mormon ceremonies are copied, still are. ... We make covenants not to reveal to anyone the sacred things, dumbo. NOT REVEAL means secret, dumbo! >Though found nowhere in the scriptures, and actually contradicted by
--- correct me if I'm wrong, but facsimile 2 is full of references to the planet KOLOB and two other mormon planets, Oliblish and Enish-go-on-dosh, along with moons and other outer space things. You really ought to look up you beliefs sometime, boy. >"On Kolob," you say, "the main activity is mating." Remarkable! >You seem to have a rather unhealthy obsession with sexy stuff, as it ---- a rather strange remark form one who hopes to attain polygamy and a veritable infinite f*** fest, on Kolob, some day, if he is worthy. >How, may I ask, do you know that "Most foods, except coffee, of >Your anonymous Mormon intellectuals, you claim, maintain that "there ----Explain then how a god can be a god if alien gods can go to another god's planet to visit. Unless all the alien gods have the same belief system. If they all have to believe the same thing, then they have no free agency to do otherwise and are impotent. If the gods can't visit, then the problem is gone. Invisible spheres must exist, to prevent space travel. God, do I have to tell you everything twice? If not, explain, please, and remember, I'm not stupid, so think before you type. >Stunning! I'll tell you what, if you can show me in scripture where ---- not all truths are in the scriptures. Show me where Light Amplification by Stimulated Emission of Electromagnetic Radiation (laser) is in your fucking scriptures. From: Justin Reeve >>Stunning! I'll tell you what, if you can show me in scripture where >--- not all truths are in the scriptures. Show me where Light I'm afraid I'm rather confused now. You, feigning Mormonity, said that "we know by Faith and Scripture that the barriers are there." Again I ask: Where are "invisible star-surrounding cosmic travel-preventing crystal spheres" mentioned in scripture? I'll even raise the stakes a little bit. Since you don't take checks, I'll just buy you a mansion in Beverly Hills if you can show me a reference. >>Though found nowhere in the scriptures, and actually contradicted by >--- correct me if I'm wrong, but facsimile 2 isfull of references to It is painfully obvious that you've never bothered to read Abraham 3:3, so I will print it here, starting with verse 2.... "And I [Abraham] saw the stars, that they were very great, and that one of them was nearest unto the throne of God; and there were many great ones which were near unto it; And the Lord said unto me: These are the governing ones; and the name of the great one is Kolob, because it is near unto me, for I am the Lord thy God: I have set this one to govern all those which belong to the same order as that upon which thou standest." As you can see, Kolob is only NEAR the Lord, and is not the abode of the Lord. I am pleased to know that you have uncovered the name of our Heavenly Mother, Gonhorra. And where, I wonder, in the vast open area of your cranial bubble was that concocted? I am also fascinated by your idea of eternal mass orgies in the afterlife. While the concept is admittedly stimulating, Latter-day Saints [perhaps unfortunately] do not believe that. Quite frankly, I have to wonder who's more obsessed with onanistic auto-eroticism here. "I'm not stupid, fellah," you snorted. "HA!" I never said you were, my friend. I just don't think you understand the concept of sacred vs. secret. I'd be more than delighted to share the sacred things of the temple if I didn't hold them so close and dear to me, if I hadn't made covenants before God that I would not disclose them to others. Perhaps one day you will become a Mormon, and you can visit the temple and behold the wonderous, sacred things I am talking about. From: "FAITH" <mormon99@prodigy.net> If I said faith and scriptures, it's no doubt so. It was probably 90% faith and 10% scripture. I won't trouble myself to find it again. I know 100% by faith that it is guaranteed to be in the scripture. It's queer that you did not ask me about other scriptural references, such as Mother Gonhorra and the powder in the veins of Heavenly Father, for example. The crystal spheres are OBVIOUS, even sans scripture! You may want to trouble yourself in the logic of my exposition, rather than constantly appealing to the dry authority of a scripture. Do you speak Adamic, or will it be a second language for you, on Kolob? Pay lay elle atta atre num, Enish gorrha ken-li-lish cunt sib ahle. Pay lay ale. From: "FAITH" <mormon99@prodigy.net> >>--- correct me if I'm wrong, but facsimile 2 id full of references to >It is painfully obvious that you've never bothered to read Abraham >"And I [Abraham] saw the stars, that they were very great, and that --- I had My speech synthesizer, Merlin, read Abraham to me again, just last night. It's so inspiring, I even approve of its racism. Yes it says star and facsimile 2 says planet. Abraham is certainly wrong on this, because even spiritual beings would find it impossible to live amongst trillions of giga-tons of thermonuclear activity going on each second under their feet, as is what happens on stars. Correct me if I'm wrong, and if you do, I will write you a check for the price of a mansion. I, since humility is a virtue in most of Christendom, spit on your offer on ensconcing me in a f***ing mansion. My little hovel is just fine, thanks anyway. Anyway, our faith tells us that JS translated facsimile 2 correctly (only a fool would translate incorrectly), and it teaches us of the PLANETS Kolob, OLIBLISH and Enish-go-on-dosh. Do you have any other references to the two lesser known Mormon planets? From: "FAITH" <mormon99@prodigy.net> >As you can see, Kolob is only NEAR the Lord, and is not the abode of --- I would not call 205 million light years 'near'. That has got to be wrong, even using a tachyon drive! Get an education, read a science book. >I am pleased to know that you have uncovered the name of our Heavenly ---please disregard earlier criticism. I did not read you entire letter earlier, I only came across it again as I was about to clean up my disk space. Sorry. PS: praying to Mother Gonhorra really works, much better so than praying to the HF. I got a brand new double BOM-Bible outfit that way, white, with zipper and onion-skin paper. The bible was even high-lited -- with the parts that were not translated correctly! This is very rare. If you like, I will send you a copy -- it's nice -- I can always just pray to MG for another one. Or try it yourself. Mother G, is much less busy it seems, I always, always get what I want, but I only ask for humble things, my needs are modest. Recently I also got a brand new set o retreads; I needed them badly. Next time, though, to save everyone time, I will ask for tires that don't wear out. >I am also fascinated by your idea of eternal mass orgies in the ---- Why? Just yesterday (and again here!) you accuse ME of being obsessed with the sexual aspects of Mormonism (I'm not). Now you admit you are! Are we being a bit disingenuous today? Shades of Paul Dun. But I too, agree it's OK to tell a little lie as long as it illustrates principle of truth. >While the concept is admittedly stimulating, Latter-day >"I'm not stupid, fellah," you snorted. "HA!" I never said you were, my ---- yes you said that I am stupid. You said that having a covenant not to tell is the same as NOT keeping a secret. You believe this, but I maintain only a stupid and disingenuous fool would attempt to convince another of something as stupid as that, stupid. >I'd be more than delighted to share the sacred things of the ---- you hold a lot of other sacred thing dear, but I bet you don't mind sharing them with those unclean goyem. That's what being in the mission field is all about, brother. You are disingenuous to say the mormon ceremonies are not supposed to be secret. Relax, they are not... they are on my web page for all to see. So, you see, I am on your side, after all. The secret ceremonies are only sacred, not secret no mo. From: Justin Reeve >If I said faith and scriptures, it's no doubt so. It was probably The problem with your assertion is that Mormons just don't have blind faith. We believe in things "by study and also by faith." (D&C 88:118) It's excellent that you have such strong faith, but faith is generally placed in things that cannot be proven one way or the other. We have the scriptures before us. They are written for all the world to see. We can PROVE whether or not what you think is in the scriptures is actually there, but the burden of proof rests on your shoulders. God has given us the scriptures as a definitive set of doctrinal standards. Therefore, to simply have "faith" that the scriptures say something is not the mark of a true religionist, and, if you ask me, an excellent example of ridiculously misplaced faith. We SEARCH the scriptures and have FAITH in what they say. Your attempt to remove God's Holy Word from the picture makes one wonder what the scriptures are for in the first place. It's very reassuring that you have such exceedingly great faith. But everyone has to gain their own faith in one way or another. Since I do not recall having read about such invisible crystal spheres (hereafter referred to as ICSs) in the scriptures, I cannot simply take your word for it. Plus, where did these ICSs you believe in come from? Is their presence really as "obvious" as you think they are? Would an astronomer agree with you? How many of your mysterious unnamed theologians would agree? The idea that "alien gods" cannot cross these ICSs would, by definition, make them less than omnipotent. Do you think it's possible to breach these ICSs? >I had My speech synthesizer, Merlin, read Abraham to me again, just Joseph's description of Facsimile 2 says nothing about Kolob being a planet. There is also no indication that Olibish is a planet, either. As for Enish-go-on-dosh, it IS defined as a planet, in the description of Figure 2. There is no reason to assume that Kolob is a planet, anyway, at least not by your description. Mormons, you insist, "believe that angels visit the earth from Kolob, the home planet of angels and spirits and gods." (mormon/mormons4.htm) Unfortunately, this is directly contradicted by the scriptures: "The angels do not reside on a planet like this earth; But they reside in the presence of God." (D&C 130:6) This also indirectly indicates that God does NOT reside on Kolob. "But!" perhaps you will exclaim, "this only indicates that Kolob is not like our normal earth! Perhaps it is a more advanced planet!" Unfortunately, you don't make such a distinction anywhere on your web site. Also, such a thing is so unheard of that it is probably impossible to create a definite description of such a planet. Then again, perhaps with the power of your creativity, such a description can be produced. At any rate though, if you respond as such, I could only conclude that you are making things up as you go. >>As you can see, Kolob is only NEAR the Lord, and is not the abode of >I would not call 205 million light years 'near'. That has got to be I'm glad you admit that Kolob is not where the Lord resides, but may I ask where you got the figure of 205 million light years?
>>I am also fascinated by your idea of eternal mass orgies in the >Why? Just yesterday (and again here!) you accuse ME of being obsessed Now, now, let's not get all defensive. I'm just saying that I, like you, am a mortal human being, subject to the same carnality you find so exciting. I'm just showing you that we're not too unalike, you and I. However, to show others you are *not* obsessed with it, as you claim, you could tone down the references to it on your web site. >But I too, agree it's OK to tell a little lie as long as it illustrates principles Please don't say that. SURELY your quest is the same as mine: the pursuit of truth! Although considerable nuances are scattered all over your web site, spewing from a fountain of bizarre disinformation, you're not making up little lies on purpose, are you? Say it's not so! "I am stupid," you say, insisting that I said so. This really hurts me. I meant no such thing, and I regret that you interpreted whatever I said as such. I hope you notice that your logic for this conclusion is your own, and not mine: "You believe this, but I maintain only a stupid and disingenuous fool would attempt to convince another of something as stupid as that, stupid." I don't consider you stupid; just perhaps .... unsure. >praying to Mother Gonhorra really works, much better so than praying I'll pass, thank you. >It's queer that you did not ask me about other scriptural references, Okay. Although I never even brought up the "powder in the veins of Heavenly Father," I'll call your bluff. Where are your scriptural references for these two things? P.S. You don't need to bother writing me a check for that mansion. God has blessed you with what you have, and I would feel bad if I took that away from you. From: "FAITH" <mormon99@prodigy.net> {Apparently, he was sharing our correspondence with other friends of his. Since I'm only worth speaking to in the third person, he simply sent me the message he sent to his buddies.} To all who have been on the Bcc list for this, AND cared to follow it, I'm calling it quits with this insincere fellow. He ridicules my "faith" ad nauseam and accuses me of being 'carnal like he is'. Moi? LINKS:
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