When
and how are the spirits of just man made
perfect? "The spirits of just men made
perfect" refers to men made perfect by
having their sins washed away by the
blood of Christ. We have had our sins
washed away and have come to have
fellowship with others who have been
made perfect by having their sins washed
away. Adam Clarke in his Commentary on
Hebrews 12:23, "In several parts of this
epistle teleiov, the just man,
signifies one who has a full knowledge
of the Christian system, who is
justified and saved by Christ Jesus; and
the teteleiwnemoi are the adult
Christians, who are opposed to the nhpioi or babes in knowledge and
grace...The spirits of the just men made
perfect, or the righteous perfect, are
the full grown Christians; those who are
justified by the blood and sanctified by
the Spirit of Christ. Being come to
such, implies that spiritual
union which the disciples of Christ have
with each other, and which they possess
how far so ever separate; for they are
all joined in one spirit, #Eph 2:18;
they are in the unity of the spirit,
#Eph 4:3, 4; and of one soul, #Ac 4:32.
This is a unity which was never
possessed even by the Jews themselves in
their best state; it is peculiar to real
Christianity: (See Heb 12:29)."
There is no way we could have come to
the "spirits" of those in Heaven? If
they were in Heaven, they would be
beyond our reach unto we are in Heaven
with them. We would not have come to
them.
"And
to the spirits of the righteous made
perfect" [New Revised Standard Version].
If disembodied spirits were in Heaven
and in any way had fellowship or
communication with us it would prove
Spiritualism, which is forbidden by God.
Most all who uses this to prove the soul
is now immortal do not believe we have
any communication with the dead if they
are in Heaven, Hell, the grave, or any
other place, therefore, we have not come
unto them.
WHEN THIS IS USED TO PROVE THE SPIRIT IS
ALIVE AND THEREFORE, IMMORTAL AFTER
DEATH FOR THE "SOUL" OF THOSE WHO ARE
DEAD ARE NOW MADE PERFECT, IT MAKES THE
JUDGMENT AND RESURRECTION BE 100%
TOTALLY USELESS.
Hamilton says spirit (pneuma) refers to
God 288 times, to evil spirit 30 times,
and 40 times pneuma refers to the human
spirit (Truth Commentaries, 1 Peter,
Page 370). W. E. Vine lists a number of
ways pneuma refers to man, to "the human
spirit," they must therefore be part of
the 40 times. (f) The sentient element
in man, that by which he perceives,
reflects, feels, desire...(g) purpose
aim...(i) character...(j) moral
qualities and activities: bad...
stupor... timidity... good... liberty...
meekness... faith... quietness." As
these all refer to the human spirit,
they must be a part of the 40 times, but
not a one in his list refers to a part
of a person that lives after the death
of the person. Hamilton says on page 364
that the Soul may mean life, persons,
the heart, the mind, or the spirit.
From what both W. E. Vine and Hamilton
say, some of the 40 times means the
mind. etc. Therefore, the times pneuma
can refer to an internal immortal part
of a person would be less than 40 times.
But, he did not say how many or list
them, which is the very thing he needed
to prove his point. Just saying that a
part of less than 40 times means a
person has an immortal spirit does not
get the job done. How often, one, five
or more? Where are they? Hence, the
GREAT CONFUSION: Soul or spirit
or both? Try
the Mormon handshake, for Christ's sake.
Also see technical details at
http://robertwr.com/
That's
all there
is to this particular secret handshake.
